Some people like bad jokes, the more lame and groan-inducing the better. Richard Stallman (who henceforth I'll refer to by his preferred name, RMS) is certainly one of those people.
One of these bad jokes, told many times by RMS over the years, has recently received some criticism, which subsequently triggered a barrage of outrage:
The talk started out with a rehash of open source [sic] history--much of which is, I'm certain, quite well-known to the audience, and then lapsed into a fairly undirected rant about C# and how no one should be using it (with a completely incomprehensible comment that it was "good" that there were free C# implementations... huh?), before Richard donned his "Saint Ignotius" [sic] get-up. For me, things went rapidly and drastically downhill from that point.
The nadir for me was Richard's explanation of "EMACS virgins" as "women who had not been introduced to EMACS" along with the advice that "relieving them of their virginity" was some sort of sacred duty for members of "The Church of EMACS".
What the hell is that, Richard? If it was intended to be humorous, it only reached the point of being offensive. We talk about how we can work better to involve more women in a meaningful way in open source development--where they're clearly under-represented--but this sort of nonsense, stuff which would have been preposterous even ten or twenty years ago, can only work to drive women away from such involvement. - David "Lefty" Schlesinger
So first, the primary issue. Was it a good joke? No, nor are most of the others in the Saint IGNUcius bit. If there's any amusement to be had in this well-worn routine it's in the obvious delight that RMS derives from delivering such bad jokes. Was it an appropriate joke to tell at such a gathering? This is a more difficult issue.
Stallman makes it very clear when launching into the Saint IGNUcius routine that the serious part of the talk is over, and he's therefore no longer speaking for the Free Software Foundation. He's defended this joke, reasonably I think, as being at the expense of religions (for whom virgins are women by definition) rather than intended to be insulting or derogatory towards women. Anybody reasonably familiar with RMS's views will know that he's not remotely sexist.
Mr Schlesinger, despite implying the contrary, is clearly not reasonably familiar with RMS's views. He still managed to come away with the impression that RMS was talking about "open source" despite having just sat through a talk where RMS surely made the point, as he always does, that he is not a part of or speaking for the open source movement. We can therefore understand why he might not be well acquainted with RMS's attitude to sexism, or anything else.
It is not my job to tell RMS what he can and can't say. Nor is it anybody else's job, despite the huge and growing queue of applicants for that position. The most I can say is that were I in his position, I wouldn't have made that joke. My principle concern would be that somebody might be genuinely offended or threatened. I don't believe that at the tail end of a lengthy speech where the speaker has demonstrated that his principle motivation in life is a progressive, humanistic morality there are reasonable grounds for such a reaction, but given the subject matter and the potential for any joke to be misunderstood, I don't think the joke is worth the risk.
A less serious concern in terms of the severity of immediate harmful consequences, but a much more likely negative outcome, is that as a contentious figure, RMS is a target for ad hominem attacks. Any possible offensive interpretation of any remark made by RMS is a weapon that can be used against him. It appears that most of the criticism arising from this speech has come from people who, motivated as they may be in part by a sincere aversion to sexism, also invariably misunderstand RMS's role or simply disagree with him.
For example, Mr Schlesinger need not be dismayed by what he sees as RMS driving women away from open source, because RMS is not, nor has he ever been, a member of the open source movement.
RMS has demonstrated himself tactless. FSF are clearly rubbish at marketing GNU & Ogg—they push principles before practicality. - Greg K Nicholson
We can only briefly pause to marvel at the implication that the world is using MP3 because of the personal character flaws of one man, and quickly move on because this quote neatly encapsulates the major (and a cynic might say real) complaints which eventually emerge from those who have accused RMS of sexism.
RMS's role at the FSF does not include marketing. If anybody at the FSF can be said to have responsibility for marketing it would be Campaigns Manager Matt Lee, who has had spectacular success, considering the power of the opposition, with campaigns like Defective By Design and BadVista (and granted, less spectacular but still significant success with PlayOgg). Note that these campaigns are about encouraging people to recognise the importance of their freedom, not merely encouraging them to use more free software for any one of a number of possible reasons:
[...] what does it mean to "use free software"? [...] Are we aiming to lead people to freedom, or just introduce them to our code? In other words, are we working for freedom, or have we replaced that goal with the shallow goal of popularity? - Richard Stallman
The FSF's mission is "to promote computer user freedom and to defend the rights of all free software users". i.e. to make it possible for any computer user to use their computer in freedom, should they choose to do so, not to make the use of free software more widespread regardless of users' concern for, or even knowledge about, the ethical issues.
As for putting principles before practicality: guilty as charged, something of which RMS should be justly proud. That is not to say that the FSF does not ever make tactical compromises. The GNU Lesser GPL is an example of such a compromise. However those who would want the FSF, and the wider free software moment, to make the sort of compromises which place practicality before principles merely for the sake of greater popularity for this or that piece of software, should consider whether the free software movement is something they should be claiming to support.
The open source movement is happy, indeed eager, to make those sorts of compromises, and might be a more comfortable home for those who are unhappy with RMS's principles or personal foibles.
The open source movement enjoys leadership by reasonable, universally repected figures who, by virture of the fact that they get little of the vitriol directed at RMS, must never say anything that could possibly be interpreted as offensive.
In the U.S., blacks are 12% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes; can anyone honestly think this is unconnected to the fact that they average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population? - Eric S. Raymond
I think he is right to see Afghanistan, Iraq, and the suppression of Al-Qaeda as phases of longer, wider war — a clash of civilizations driven by the failure of Islamic/Arab culture. [...] I think he is also right to say that our long-term objective must be to break, crush and eventually destroy this culture, because we can't live on the same planet with people who both carry those memes and have access to weapons of mass destruction. They will hate us and seek to destroy us not for what we've done but for what we are. - Eric S. Raymond
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#in_context
Allow me to put my comment in context:
(I've clarified the original text beyond the limitations of 140-character messages. Any misrepresentation here represents either my failure to understand the original speaker's intent, or my failure to express myself adequately in 140-character blocks.)
To paraphrase: In my opinion, RMS and the FSF aren't very effective at communicating with people. (I cite this speech, and the marketing of Gnu and Ogg as examples.) But, that's OK because I don't expect them to be good at community-building and marketing-to-the-masses. As you say, “RMS's role at the FSF does not include marketing.” I expect them to write good licences and good code, which they do.
I didn't intend to imply that. I intended to imply that the FSF's marketing of Ogg is lacklustre, which I cite as an example of the FSF being bad at communicating.
(In my opinion, the world continues using MP3 because the FSF's marketing of Ogg is lacklustre, because no-one else markets it, and because more-influential companies have their own interests. But my opinion on this is irrelevant.)
Now: all of the above is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
I do want to see software freedom succeed and so I criticise the FSF where I feel it could do better. But my complaints about the FSF's marketing prowess were just a tangent, which arose naturally in the course of the conversation.
I think we're talking past each other here. I'd like to identify four separate issues:
This discussion started (as far as I'm aware) when Lefty raised the first issue. The response he got from RMS included, amongst other things:
Here, RMS raises the second issue: vitriol towards RMS. I understand RMS gets a lot of attacks aimed at him for his various opinions on Free software, open source and so on. Personally, I think that software inspiring that level of personal vitriol is pretty ridiculous. I condemn it, and I sympathise with RMS where this has happened.
Please understand, I'm not trying to offend, harm or attack RMS. I don't think Lefty-et-al are either. If my response to RMS's comments seemed to be ad hominem, then I apologise—I have no intention of attacking him personally (or indeed anyone else). RMS has contributed a hell of a lot to the Free software movement and to open source software.
I agree this vitriol is a valid issue that should be addressed. However, Lefty's email was about the first issue—it's that issue that we'd like to discuss. From my point of view, RMS didn't address this issue adequately; instead, he discussed the second issue.
When speaking up against privilege/kyriarchy/discrimination, one of the responses we've come to expect is derailment. At the Geek Feminism wiki it's categorised under “Excuses for sexist incidents”. (See also the tongue-in-cheek guide.)
RMS's response to Lefty's first email largely ignored the primary complaint of sexism; his response to Lefty's second, more focused email was that that issue had already been laid to rest. This looks, to me, like derailment.
Let me be very clear here: I was not using RMS's allegedly-sexist comment as an avenue to criticise the FSF's handling of software-related matters, nor to attack RMS. I am criticising RMS's comment for being sexist.
I don't believe you and RMS are deliberately trying to derail the discussion in order to silence protest at sexism. But, deliberately or not, the discussion has been derailed towards the second and third issues (attacks on RMS, and the FSF's tactics).
To the extent that I contributed to the derailment by entertaining the tangent I described above, I apologise. My intention was to defend RMS's authority on technical matters, whilst criticising his sexist comment.
From our point of view, your and RMS's responses look like an attempt to attack us for speaking up against sexism, and bully us into being quiet. Again, I'm not accusing either of you of doing this deliberately or maliciously.
This brings me to the fourth issue, which Lefty's blog post tried to raise. This type of response to claims of sexism is generally very harmful: if everyone who complains about sexism becomes the focus of attacks, then other people who have witnessed or suffered oppression will be understandably reluctant to speak up against it. So, oppression will continue. This would be very much a Bad Thing®.
Hopefully, this explains why we're so distressed about RMS's apparent non-response.
In conclusion, I'd like to spawn three entirely separate discussions:
On the vitriol issue, again, I apologise for stoking the flamewar. This wasn't my intention, and I was genuinely unaware that RMS received so much hate-mail.
I'm sure we can discuss the tactics issue elsewhere—we all clearly agree that software freedom = good (or, at least, not-bad); how we can best achieve that shared goal is a matter of opinion.
On the sexism issue, RMS needs to apologise. A statement to the following effect would go a long way towards healing the rift:
(Unrelatedly, kudos for using a Captcha that doesn't discriminate against blind or deafblind people.)
David "Lefty" Schlesinger has very ugly and unambiguous sexism
David "Lefty" Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror the great and terrible' (his own chosen appellation) has been behaving in a vicious and literally demented manner online and in person since at least 1996, when he began his long career of legal threats, threats of violence, defamatory websites and general stalking and abuse - began with the stalking of Kathy Sutphen, which is well documented. Lefty has also written hideously sexist articles for the notorious troll site 'encyclopedia dramatica', and this is documented as his work beyond any doubt.
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Stone: don’t be a ninny, no one’s trying to “fuse Linux with Microsoft”. that’s paranoid rhetoric, but coming from a mental case such as yourself, it’s not surprising.
Groklaw is taking much abuse for their stance, as can be seen in the comments. Bad move on PJ’s part.
2:04 PM
Do you happen to know Celeste Lyn Paul….? She’s the head of the KDE Foundation Board…
2:05 PM
She was in the audience at GCDS and tweeted her dismay at Stallman’s “bit of harmless fun” while it was happening…
May you know Stormy Peters…?
She’s the Executive Director of the GNOME Foundation….
2:06 PM
she was there, too, and not happy, either.
it’ll be interesting if “Dr.” Stallman finds himself blacklisted from both KDE and GNOME events in the future, won’t it?
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documented evidence, mainly from his own emails and blogs, of David “Lefty” Schlesinger (he is an ACCESS employee) and his long career of illegal and menacing threats, stalking, harassment and blackmail.
here:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4902686590059408...
and here:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4902686590059408...
Lefty has written heinously sexist troll articles for the notorious troll site encyclopediadramatica.com.
” I try to stop a bit short of full-blown monster-hood.” – David ‘Lefty’ Schlesinger aka stonemirror
there is more evidence here, much much more. RMS has examined it personally, and he encouraged it as a complaint to the Gnome Foundation. He found it all credible and well evidenced, especially the abusive, defamatory websites that Lefty maintains for years on end over the slightest grudge, and in self admitted defiance of the DMCA. Lefty is also in his own emails and blogs (verified by whois and headers) actually blackmailing people over alleged sexual images he claims to have, which if they exist, were never public in any fashion.
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Re: David Lefty Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror'
« Sent to: sandala lafoan on: December 12, 2009, 02:44:27 pm »
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Yup, I've read about it most of it. Are you the book seller that he had a quarrel with? Most of the pages from his old "stonemirror" website are still in the WayBack machine, where one can read his taunting of the mentally ill, etc..... But, I try to stay away from the more gross stuff because most people wouldn't believe it even if you sent them the WayBack URL's.
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« Sent to: sandala lafoan on: December 12, 2009, 02:29:34 pm »
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I've done an extensive investigation into "stonemirror" and the acolytes which populate his blog. You haven't seen the worse. "Lefty" exploited the "Linux isn't woman friendly" blowup a couple months ago in order to push MONO by trying to label those apposed to MONO (and thus Microsoft's API) on Linux as being "sexist". Those who were crying crocodile tears over RMS or Shuttlesworth's "sexist" comments have made identical jokes or statements themselves in times past. The "proof" often given is that 26-30% of corporate coders are women but "only 2%" of Linux coders are women, ergo Linux supporters are "sexist". However, they claim, since most .NET/MONO developers are corporate related, MONO is not sexist. It can be shown that 80% of graduates from Computer Science programs are women.. For just the 2.6.30 kernel alone there were 1,150 coders from 240 companies contributing code. IF the it is corporate policy to employ as many women as possible then roughly 250 of those coders should be women, but they are not. Whose fault is that? It's certainly not because Linux is "sexist". What it does prove is that the "sexist" charge is being used by pro MONO people to belittle the traditional Linux community to make it easier to subvert the Linux API from C, C++, GLib, GTK and Qt4 to C# and MONO.
Some of the MONO supporters bait those who do not support MONO with private messages, which they quote in public blogs, out of context, in attempts to discredit those who appose MONO.
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Re: David Lefty Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror'
« Sent to: sandala lafoan on: December 12, 2009, 04:12:55 pm »
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It's a "Lefty" trademark to threaten to sue people he's had online fights with. I suspect he sends out pseudo legal letters from "lawyers" to further the intimidation.
One of his current web pages is http://stonemirror.wordpress.com/, which also contains links to a theme he apparently has brought back out of retirement: Marsupials. On his front page he is posting attacks against "LiveJournal", which used to host his website but expelled him.
On the Marsupials page he's continuing his ranting at a variety of people, like "Mikey", and on a variety of topics.
Bruce Perens called David Lefty Schlesinger a liar.
Bruce Perens just called out David "Lefty" Schlesinger :
Perens called Lefty Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror' both a crybaby and a 'confabulator' ie a "liar":
GNOME ponders its code of conduct
Posted Dec 17, 2009 18:07 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (subscriber, #2510) [Link]
I ran into Lefty at a community summit out here a while back, and his emotional state was really high. He explained his beef with RMS with a cry in his voice, I kid you not. When I was less than sympathetic, he practically ran out of the room in tears.
Now, I am no stranger to getting emotional about things. But I’ve learned that it doesn’t generally help me win the argument.
He really needs to focus on ACCESS, which, IMO, is a sinking ship. RMS isn’t the big problem in front of him.
GNOME ponders its code of conduct
Posted Dec 17, 2009 9:25 UTC (Thu) by kragil (subscriber, #34373) [Link]
Yeah Lefty really does not get the FOSS community.
It is just a fact that we have two groups, open source people that think open source is superior in many ways and the best development model and then we have free software people that will not use proprietary software for reasons RMS points out.
Lefty hates free software people although they serve a very important purpose in our community.
Who else is going to use and improve unfinished buggy and inferior software just because it is their believe that everything else is no option?
When that software becomes featurefull and usable the OSS people will gladly use it, which is OK, but then don’t attack the free software people for their believe in free software.
And besides I personally think he really is an unpleasant fella on a crusade and if PGO needs moderation it is his posts (which also include false anti Android propaganda and Access spam)
GNOME ponders its code of conduct
Posted Dec 17, 2009 12:06 UTC (Thu) by mjw (subscriber, #16740) [Link]
He was hurt in the past and then turned into this anti-anti boycott person. Since then Lefty’s communications are precisely what the Gnome CoC says you shouldn’t do. “Be respectful and considerate, Be patient and generous, Assume people mean well, Try to be concise.” But say Respectful the rules, Free Software, FSF, GNU, etc. in front of him and he will explode.
GNOME ponders its code of conduct
Posted Dec 17, 2009 1:26 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (subscriber, #2510) [Link]
Isn’t this just about Lefty’s anti-RMS jihad?
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Lefty Schlesinger and his defamatory, sexist writings NWS!
On these links, David "Lefty" Schlesinger (aka 'stonemirror the great and terrible) penned two hideously sexist and defamatory articles in the furtherance of his multi-year trolling/harassment of a mentally ill couple.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Talk:Vitki
Talk:Vitki
Fucking awesome edits, Stonemirror. THANK YOU! --girlvinyl 22:57, 9 Jan 2005 (GMT)
LOL To the Terrible!
Nice outline Stonemirror! ROTFL!
I had to do it
and here:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sandalfon
proof is in the text which references Schlesinger's old livejournal, which was removed for TOS violations on his part:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://stonemirror.livejournal.com
and in the text itself which references Santa Cruz where Schlesinger/stonemirror lives, references the martial arts weapons he is obsessed with (the 'bokken'), etc.
This whole stalking effort started on Schlesinger's old 'stonemirror' livejournal. Both it and this current Schlesinger site reference santa cruz, vitki, bokken, 'the great and terrible', etc. So there is no doubt at all that only one 'stonemirror the great and terrible' aka David "Lefty" Schlesinger is responsible for this vicious stalking of the mentally ill and malicious sexist taunts and references which accompany it.
http://stonemirror.wordpress.com
http://www.shugendo.org
these sites even feature clear photos of Schlesinger in public with the bokken weapon. He has taken to claiming it is merely a 'camera monopod', but on his archived stonemirror livejournal he refers to it and other ninja weapons as one of his interests.
another schlesinger site, whois ties it to his civil name and ED
www.shugendo.org/marsupial/index.htm
but after it was pointed out a few weeks ago he deleted it. He forgot about the Internet Archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071216231726/ http://www.shugendo.org/marsupial/index.htm
this site mentions another 'encyclopediadramatica' article, again sexist and defamatory. and this site with its current ridiculous defamatory 'wanted poster', has a stolen photograph which schlesinger gleefully defies the DMCA on.
http://www.shugendo.org and http://www.extinct-marsupial.org are both whois registered to schlesinger's civil name and address.
so, as you can see evidenced here....
Persecution is what David "Lefty" Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror' specializes in!